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we asked you at the top of the show what are you doing awake the at this hour? pete? >> an e-mail from nicole eggert. >> no, you don't not the nicole eggert? >> it may not be. she said i watched you because the only time i can see if the bloodshot feature works on my tv. >> there she is. everyone who watches this show on the west coast tends to have bloodshot eyes, if you know what i mean. what else? >> rosy says i drank coffee waiting for my daughter to guest out of justin bieber concert. >> pete, how great was that show last night? >> it was good.
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thanks for the tickets. >> "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ ♪ the man the authorities >> you know who is coming up up the coast? hurricane earl. right. hurricane earl up the east coast and he could hit new york city, winds so strong they think it might blow away the bedbugs! >> hurricane earl is headed towards the east coast and i heard that some towns in new jersey may have to be evacuated later this week. the cast of "the jersey shore" would have could relocate to neighboring communities, at which point, those towns would have to be evacuated so it's a cycle. >> welcome to "morning joe." 6:01 on a thursday morning. i'm willie geist. joe and mika have the day off today. >> really? >> they have the day off. only reason you're sitting there, my man! >> that's why! >> mike barnicle is with us and so is chris jansing, luckily, to save us from all of this. john heilemann of "new york"
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magazine and coourge of the juggernaut, that is "game change." isn't that fair to say? >> yeah, it is. >> fascinating. >> i like that "vanity fair" piece that willie keeps calling thick. >> i described it that way when i gave it as a present but nobody described it to me like that when they gave it back. >> mort zuckerman sw us. >> mort is mad at me because i'm going to steal money from him playing poker tonight. >> is this a weekly game you guys have some. >> every couple of weeks. >> every couple of weeks. i cry in between. >> do either of you ever win? >> mort never wins. >> never. >> i have been known to win on occasion. very sporadic occasion. >> is it wise to bet against, say, a mort zuckerman of the world who can sort of push those chips in the middle of the table without much concern for the implications of that move? >> mort does not have a poker face, let's put it that way!
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we need to talk about this sarah palin "vanity fair" piece. we have the author later on in the show. a lot to dig through. >> yeah. i read it last night. i'm just wondering when it tilts towards -- when public sentiment tilts toward feeling sorry for sarah palin because of the assault on her. why? what is up with this? >> it's one paragraph after another picking her apart. the big story, of course, hurricane earl got stronger actually overnight, chris. >> residents from a north carolina to new england are bracing for a possible strike from that strengthening hurricane earl. it is barreling towards the nation's east coast this morning. nbc meteorologist bill karins is joining us with the very latest. bill, what is going on? >> good morning. not what we wanted to hear last night is that earl had intensified to a category 4 storm and 145-mile-per-hour winds and the outer banks is not the place to be later tonight. this morning is the last changs you have to get off the outer
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banks because once the winds crank up they won't legality you head out there. we have hurricane warnings for all of eastern north carolina and tropical storm warnings from virginia to long island. later today, hurricane warnings will sh issued for cape cod. a look at a powerful storm. you can clearly see the eye of the storm and weaken from here on out but it's already too strong so if it weakens from a 4 to a 3 that can still do a lot of destruction on the outer banks. it's traveling 50 to a hundred miles parallel to the east coast. if this had been 50 miles west of this this on would have been one of the historic and damaging hurricanes ever. it's a little off the coast and still do damage. tomorrow morning, during the morning rush hour into the noon hour, the strongest winds will be virginia beach, maryland, delaware coast up through the jersey shore. by friday afternoon the tropical storm force winds are about from new york city all the way out through long island including connecticut, long island and the
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cape. the hurricane force winds should arrive on cape cod come tomorrow evening by 9:00 or 10:00. they may even do evacuations on the outer cape maybe from orleans to province town and martha's vineyard and nantucket not the place to be as the storm rolls through and head through maine early saturday morning. here is a closer view. tonight at 2:00 a.m., 135-mile-per-hour winds, category 4, dangerously close to the outer banks. this is one of the strongest storms ever if it moves over the outer banks. they have never seen 145-mile-per-hour wind. as far as the forecast goes, it doesn't look like much is going to change and pretty much set in stone at this time. the picture here, the high clouds are moving in, those are from the hurricane. first, the clouds. later today, the wind and the rain. we will have updates throughout the show. >> we can't stress enough. you said this earlier. if you're in the outer banks of north carolina, just get out now. >> i lived in eastern north carolina on the sound for a while. the sound side flooding is going
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to be horrendous when the north winds kick in on the back side of there storm. east carolina is used to storms but not one like this in a long, long time. >> we will get updates throughout the morning. disturbing details are emerging about that gunman shot and killed yesterday after holding three people hostage at the discovery channel headquarters in maryland. court records show the 43-year-old identified as james j. lee was a radical environmentalist who said he experienced a wakening when he watched former vice president al gore's documentary. he also wrote he railed to get shows like indicate plus 8 for encouraging the birth rate, quote, parasitic human infants. as the crisis unfolded yesterday, nbc news spoke directly to the gunman. nbc's tom costello has more. >> reporter: it all began when an armed man entered the discovery channel headquarters in maryland about a mile over the washington, d.c. border.
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>> having lunch in the cafeteria and someone came to me, running and said don't go into the lobby. there is some action going on there like there are cops inside. >> reporter: police say the building was immediately ordered to be evacuated and most of the 1,900 employees managed to get out. >> panic, nervous. afraid. we weren't sure if the gunman was coming up the other floors or anything. they told us to get into the interior offices and lock the doors and everything. >> reporter: a day care center also in the building was safely evacuated and authorities said all children reunited with their parents. but the gunman identified as 43-year-old james j. lee held three employees hostage telling them to, quote, stay still. police began roughly three hours of telephone negotiations with the suspect but became increasingly concerned he might harm the hostages. investigators say on the scene they could see him inside the building wearing what appeared to be pipe bombs. we can reveal shortly after the crisis began, nbc news called
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the discovery channel headquarters. when lee himself grabbed the phone and an nbc news producer spoke to him about ten minutes and recorded the conversation. >> do you have a gun? >> i have a gun and i have a bomb. i have several bombs strapped to my body ready to go off. >> reporter: nbc news elected not to reveal the conversation with lee until the hostage crisis was over. just shy of four hours after the standoff started, police decided to shoot the suspect. >> based on the information that we had, we believed that it was -- that the hostages' lives were in danger. >> reporter: court records show lee began protesting outside discovery headquarters two years ago handing out a leaflet. after he dru larger crowds by throws thousands of dollars into the air he was arrested and pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct. >> that was nbc's tom costello
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reporting. representatives of the discovery channel knew who lee was but did not take his demand seriously. israeli prime minister nationalan yeah -- following a day of individual meetings with both leaders, president obama said yesterday he was, quote, cautiously hopeful about achieving an outcome. >> if we do not make the attempt, then failure is guaranteed. if both sides do not commit to these talks in earnest, then the long-standing conflict will only continue to fester and consume another generation and this, we simply cannot allow. >> mort, you've been involved in the peace process over the years. let's reset where we are right now. are we at a historically, at a good point? do you have hope? if so, why? >> well, actually, i'm hopeful if the parties can have private
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conversations about these issues. i'm much less hopeful if you have big public meetings, gathering, photo-ops and everything like that. why? because it ray raises expectations and if you put a time period at the end of it, it gives at least one side the option of delaying past the time period and then everybody gets into the kind of mood that produced the war in gaza, et cetera, et cetera. the only way to carry on peace talks between these two players is to do it in a private channel and the reason for that is very simple. on neither side do you have enough of a political consensus to go through issue-by-issue and have it be public without each side dividing and redividing and subdividing and losing the political consensus that you need. what you need is to present a completed deal to both sides and then they will accept it because the overwhelming issue for both sides for the palestinians is to develop their own state and for the israelis finally to have a
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solution. this is the wrong way to do it. this is for domestic political consumption and all of these countries, it is not the way to achieve the negotiations. remember, the most successful negotiations ever were the oslo agreements. they irunknown to virtually the entire world until they were announced in toto. that is when everybody could accept what they produced. this is the wrong way to go about it, even though it's the right direction, that is to say to have meetings and talks between the parties ist one of the underlying currents in these proposed talks that are supposedly going to get under way and hopefully they will be in private as you indicated. who is netanyahu? is he the prime minister seeking peace or is he the prime minister who seeks to take out tehran, who seeks to bomb iran? who is he? which person is going to be present at this peace talks? >> well, here i think i speak with some, shall we say,
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experience. i was clinton's private channel to the netanyahu government three years and i went over there about 50 times in three years. he is definitely somebody who wants to bring a resolution to this conflict as does every israeli political leader. they have no choice for all kinds of reasons. the question is can he do it? can he fashion the political support to do it? the only way he can do that is by providing a final grooem. he is absolutely interested in trying to bring that about. he has tried to have peace talks about the palestinians ever since he has been in office. it hasn't been netanyahu who has not wanted to do it. it has been the palestinians. so i think there is a real issue here. it's -- and the palestinians, might add, it's not because mahmoud abbas doesn't want to do something but he is much weaker politically at home by far as bb within israel. it's much more difficult for him in a country that is factions for him to negotiate publicly. that's why he has, in
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particular, to negotiate privately. >> mort, you had talked about deadlines a second ago and you know a lot about israeli public opinion and the domestic political scene in israel. there is the settlement moratorium is scheduled to end at the end of this month, at the end of september. that seems to me like a pressing deadline at the moment. the palestinians are saying that if moratorium is not extended then the peace talks are going to blow up. what is the solution? how does netanyahu get within the israeli political context, how does he find a way around that problem or get to extend the moratorium? >> i think he has a hugely difficult position because if there is one thing that is going to undermine his ability to negotiate, it is this issue, because this can break up his coalition and then you would be back into the israeli politics. this was never a precondition of anybody's, shall we say,
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willingness to negotiate. for 15 years, palestinians negotiated even though there was construction going on in these various settlements. one of the solutions that has been advanced is that in those settlements that are acknowledged to be a part of israel, in every piece process dialogue that has taken place, that construction can continue and the further ones out that they would find some way to slow it down. in the event, one of the things they have to do is keep it out of the front pages, so to speak and that is why these things are never possible in the middle east if they are in the front pages because of political heat gets so intense, so quickly. >> when the president was talking yesterday about being cautiously hopeful, he said we are but five men and he was, of course referring also to president mubarak of egypt and king abdullah of jordan. >> in my judgment, it is a bad idea that they are there. again, it raises hopes. what you've got to do is keep everybody at a low key as you work through the more difficult
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problems, not to have these elevated expectations. this is political theater as much for the domestic consumption of the american public as it is for anything else. the real issue here, there are some very difficult issues. they can be revolved, but only as a package. you cannot deal with them individually and that is why oslo was so successful because there were tradeoffs and nobody was able to put the pressure on one side or another until they had worked out the tradeoffs and then they present the whole deal and the only way anything worked in that part of the world. >> the argument it seems to me we had a year of low key talks. mitchell trying to conduct diplomacy under the radar and not just american domestic political pressures but a lot of people in the region have been saying president obama needs to get personally engaged, this needs to be evidence -- elevated or we will stay in the same stalemate we have been in the obama administration. >> it does not take an intermediary for them to
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negotiate. the americans do not even know how to play this game at this stage of the game. there are two games that always go on in the middle east. one chess game is on the table and one chess game is below the table. the only one that counts is the one below the table. we don't know how to play this game. >> mort, you said we have to keep this off the front pages? we're not doing so well this morning. here is "the post" "the globe", "the new york times" and it goes on and on. chris? joe miller is taking aim at president obama. in an interview with cnn yesterday, the tea party backed miller warned that the nation was facing a dire fiscal crisis and heading towards socialism. >> if you had to, in a sentence or two, describe obama how would you do that? >> bad for america. >> that's one sentence. you don't often get that out of a politician. on what do you base that? >> he is one of the major forces
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moving this country. it is the wrong direction for america. i would suggest to you again that bad for america is an apt description. >> john, is that a winning message? >> it could be. >> in alaska? >> in alaska, it could be. you know? to me, it continues to beg your belief that anybody believes that president obama is a socialist or any of the other epithets that the republicans like to throw around. >> he is leading in alaska. >> a state of alaska has a strong conservative bend to it and it's been a red state for a long time and elected sarah palin. this guy could be on the right track. >> we will see. coming up next, an exclusive first look inside the political playbook including the staggering price tag bp is paying to clean up its image. what obama can do to help ddemocrats in november. it's the focus of our midterm
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on the sleepy little town down around san antonio ♪ >> people are all now talking about barack obama. they are all up in his business now about taking too many vacations and i thought, so what? let him take a vacation. what do i care? it doesn't bother me. and then last night, i saw the oval office address and i thought, maybe there is something to this. watch.
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>> this is a cbs news special report. president obama's address to the nation. >> this nation has known hard times before and we will clearly know them again. but see us through. it has always seen us through. >> i didn't pick up on that when i saw the speech. >> i didn't either. i listened to it on the radio. >> of course, you did. take a look at the morning papers republican "the boston globe." the start of a new effort to reach a peace agreement. >> "usa today." health care spending this year has grown at its slowest rate in a half century. a sign people are foregoing their own medical care during the recession. >> arizona daily star. the number of illegal immigrants in arizona are down sharply than the rest of the country according to a new estimate. between 2008 and 2009 the state saw 21% drop in illegal immigrants compared to 4% drop
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for the rest of the country. joining us is now a politico's andy barr and he has a look at the political playbook. good morning. >> hey, guys. >> let's talk immigration becoming a hot button issue in governor races across the country even in massachusetts. is president obama going to have to address this one? >> i think he certainly will. the 37 governors races, there are 20 where a candidate has endorsed a similar law to the one that arizona passed. you know, they are looking at jan brewer who went from somebody going to lose her primary to, all of a sudden, the top political run in arizona and they want a little bit of that star power so we're seeing from massachusetts, you're right, the democratic nominee for governor in georgia has endorsed a similar kind of law. it all seems to be ignoring the fact that, you know, one, this law was -- there was a statement on it by a federal court and, two, you know, you talk about that arizona daily star stat where immigration is going down
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from 2008 to 2009. that didn't have anything to do with the current law arizona is trying to get reinstated. >> john, is this going happen again as it pops up in states across the country? >> i don't think so. and i may be kind -- historically these matter in republican primaries and when you get to the general election it's rare it becomes the defining issue. one of the think tanks in washington looked at year after year places where you could point to times when a republican had been able to capitalize on the immigration issue and knock off a democrat using that issue. it almost never happens. so you've given all of the other issues that are facing america right now, especially on the economic front and especially with jobs. this will create a lot of headlines and recede to the back of people's minds when election day finally comes. >> you have a category 5 issue out there. >> i agree. >> bp spent $94 million on ads
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during the oil spill. according to data provided to the house energy and commerce committee. andy, how is bp justifying the ad binge that is under fire from a lot of people as an effort to clean up their image? >> the binge is ongoing. we are still seeing the stuff all over the place. in comparison to the cost it's taking them to clean up, you know, it's a fraction but, at the same time, this is almost like presidential campaign level spending that we're seeing on these ads. they are justifying it at providing information and, in some cases, they do, some cases, providing help lines for people down there, but, at the same time, they know the pr for them on this, especially where investors are concerned, is, in many ways, just as important, at least from their speaker speculative as cleaning up down there. so they are making sure they cover their pr bases as well as their responsibility to the gulf. >> mort, the argument bp makes we spent $1.6 billion cleaning
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up the mess, paying out claims and $94 million is a relatively drop in the bucket. >> nothing you can say to me that would diminish my respect for people who advertise that kind of level, mostly in newspapers. i just want to make that clear. it has served national purpose. it keeps the press alive. >> yes! >> it keeps us focused on this story and it reminds of just how important it is these these very wealthy oil companies get their messages across to the people. doesn't that warm your heart? it's good for the nation. >> mort, if you were in their position would you be doing the same thing? >> absolutely. the only way they can reach the american public without it going through the kind of the distortions of commentators you get a chance to get a clean message in newspapers. this is very important. >> the ads are pretty well done. >> they are really well done. >> you think about when bp built its image is the green energy
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company, it spent a decade doing that with the sunflower logo, the whole thing. all of that destroyed, at least temporarily, destroyed by the spill. $94 million is not a drop in the bucket compared to what they are paying out in terms of claims but in terms of how much they invested in that brand over the course of a decade if they are getting back to anyplace where they are not just terribly besodded brand they have to spend more millions of dollars to make up for the damage that has been done. >> look. the fact is they undoubtedly screwed up. we can't quitend to what extent because we don't understand all of the technology but they are still trying to rebuild that braped because it is critical to all of their future activities. >> if they do it in the daily news, so be it. >> win some, lose some is what they say. they finally hit the jackpot when they advertise to the daily news. i want to make it clear, we
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haven't put it on the front page. >> very big of you, mort. when we come back, update on hurricane earl. we will have a live report. it is a category 4 bearing down on north carolina. plus, what sparked one of the best base brawls of the season. that is a real punch! that is not pushing or shoving. it's a real punch. >> it's a hockey fight. ♪ without all of these things i can do without your love i will make it through ♪ ♪ but you don't understand my point of view i suppose it's nothing i can do ♪ ♪ stand by me you're not alone ♪ [ male announcer ] how about we open up a whole can of getting it done?
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♪ kill devils hill, north carolina, on the outer banks, waiting for the arrival of that hurricane. some folks on the beach with their dog, but they may be running for cover before the weekend is out.
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communities from north carolina to new england are on high alert. the intensifying hurricane earl is streaming towards the eastern seaboard this morning. let's go live to the weather channel's mike seidel in long island. a big holiday weekend coming up. a lot of people have plans there. >> well, the thing is with this hurricane, chris, is the fact that it's going to be gone before saturday morning gets here. so if you've got any kind of waeked plans, saturday, sunday and monday, the weather is going to be gorgeous. we're going to have fallish weather with temperatures in the 70s. until we get there, we have the problem with with earl. today another good day along long island from maryland and delaware up the coast. the weather isn't going downhill until later tonight and first thing tomorrow morning. a beautiful sunrise here on the beach at montauk. the beaches are narrow here because of the problems we had last fall, and at high tide overnight the water got up here to the base of this dune line.
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you know when we have earl approaching later tomorrow and tomorrow night, the water is going top up here on the dune, protecting these buildings. that is why they build dunes up and down the coast as protective barriers. i think the buildings will be fine as far as any water and any overwash but these beaches are going to be hammered. tropical storm warnings up for the island and means probably tropical storm winds gusts or higher. 40 to 50-mile-an-hour wind gusts. since it's a quick mover we don't have to worry too much about flooding. it's going to be a beach issue but it's a quick mover and in and out of here. one concern is cape cod and the islands under a hurricane watch so on if you're thinking about going out there, there may be issues with power outages as we go through the weekend. they stick farther out into the atlantic and means earl has a better chance of making a direct hit, a landfall around nantucket or even on the cape. that's not out of the question late tomorrow night and early saturday morning so we will be
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watching it for you on the weather channel. first hit will be the outer banks and take the brunt of the storm late tonight and early friday morning. >> i guess one big question hanging out there a lot of folks are driving to their destinations or flying to the coast over friday. friday is going to be a problem for travel it sounds like. >> yeah, i would think that there will be issues at the airports, although as you get farther inland towards new york city, philadelphia, it's not going to be as much of an issue. i expect some flight delays. many airlines as you probably read if your trip is being interrupted or slowed down by hurricane earl, they will let you change without any kind of change fee. otherwise, interstate 95, a lot of questions. a big travel day over the weekend. i-95 will be in pretty good shape because it sits farther inland but not to say there won't be wind and rain but it should be okay for travel tomorrow. recapping the weekend, the weather will be fine up and down the eastern seaboard.
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it's the aftermath issues of potentially certainly on cape cod. >> the weather channel's mike seidel along long island for us. thank you, mike. >> you know what that means? >> what does that mean? >> mort and i -- >> we are going surfing. >> i feel there is some class antagonism that is brewing around this table. i don't understand what is going on. we are people of the people and i don't want to go beyond that. >> how can we protect the hamptons from this outrage? >> know the thing that is really difficult when i hitchhike to get out there, as you know, people don't slow down the way they used to because of these kinds of comments. i don't understand. >> well, mort, as a veteran, you should start thumbing the ride on this side of the mid-town tunnel instead of over in queens. >> i needed that advice. and i appreciate it and i will be thinking of you when i stand on the other side of the tunnel and nobody stops. >> you know when the salt gets on the rotor blades of your chopper?
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>> i hate it when that happens! >> you can friday us friday afternoon at ditch planes. we will be surfing together. >> hanging. the endless summer. >> there is a image for you. sports now. wild one in florida last night. fourth inning, marlins beating the nationals 14-3. marlins pitcher advice chris volstad plunking nyjer morgan. but before we move on in this game, let's go back to tuesday night's game between the two teams. in extra innings, nyjer morgan attempts to score on a ground ball. the infield comes in to home violently plowing through marlins catcher brett hayes. hayes stays down for a few minutes and suffered a separated shoulder and miss a few weeks. the marlins were not happening for morgan what they thought was a cheap shot so they hit in the back the first time. later in last night's game, sixth inning, throw behind morgan.
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this time morgan has seen enough. morgan throws a left cross but he gets blindsided by the marlins first baseman gaby sanchez. here it is again. volstad is ready. throws down the glove. left cross. watch the first baseman come in. >> boom! >> benches clear. look at that. morgan comes out taunting the crowd with his jersey ripped open. >> all 15 people. >> look at that nice crowd. >> you don't think he will get plunked again for that next time he is back down there? >> he was tossed and volstad was tossed. >> here comes the clothes line! >> volstad has not been in a fight in his life apparently. >> a contested game we never had that. >> the writers game? >> rarely do i strike out christie brinkley. no, i am not going to. >> mort zucker man to christie brinkley.
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a foul ball down the first baseline drills a fan in the face. >> are you all right? >> she is okay, okay? watch this. later in the same at-bat, okay? this is same batter moments' later. another foul ball comes to the lady. this time, she makes the play and she is pumped up. watch this. watch this. yeah! >> yes! >> you hit me once, i come back a second time! now later in the same inning, same inning, another foul ball down the first baseline. same lady catches the foul ball! she gets hit in the face with one. >> what are the odds of that? >> she catches the second one and catches the third and she hands the ball to a fan. >> she should be on one of those artist or writers teams. i don't know which. >> rays win the game and yankees and red sox win so the yankees still one game up on the rays. >> eight back. red sox. >> you know in the big leagues nowadays? players come up and have their own song. something to get them fired up. >> they pick the song.
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>> yeah, it comes over the p.a. speaker. this is one song that this arizona diamondback probably didn't want to hear as he came to bat. >> now batting, second baseman, kelly johnson! ♪ it's raining men hallelujah it's raining men ♪ >> look at him! he is looking back at the bench. >> that is kelly johnson, the diamondbacks, the victim of a prank by his teammates. they switched out his norm song with "it's raining men." that's what you do when you're out of the playoff race, it's september. have a little fun. a scary moment in the u.s. open yesterday. victoria azarenka, 0 mines -- 30 minutes into the match she hits a return and collapses. it was hot in new york. even hotter down on the court yesterday. officials and coaches rush over to help her. heat exhaustion partially to blame but later discovered she
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had suffered a mild concussion in warm-ups. they helped her up. she is expected to be okay. >> hot as hell and i don't know why i didn't say it. big upset on the men's side. andy roddick, our guy, he lost. >> andy lost? >> bounced from the u.s. open. roddick was down early. he battled back but too little, too late. his u.s. open comes to a disappointing end. he won one major and won one u.s. open. >> what is left for andy? >> this. ♪ >> yep. >> he can go home at night. >> a fine consolation prize. >> life averages out. >> it does. >> do you know what happened? willie geist, consolation prize? >> that's an excellent point. >> i think that is demeaning. >> thank you, chris. >> i wouldn't give the impression you haven't thought about that before. >> good catch. >> thank you, chris.
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♪ well, i've been looking real hard ♪ >> time for the midterm exam. joe, mika and i sat down with mr. john heilemann and harold ford jr., and also former governor of vermont and former
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dcn chair, howard dean. >> howard, you and harold and i have all campaigned and i suspect that in our own ways, in our own different parts of this country, we campaign the same way. we get out there. we got in people's faces. we listened to them. we talked. we figured out quickly what mattered to them and then we focused on how we could help them achieve -- you know, how we could get washington to help them. barack obama just seems so detached. and this is democrats, your democrats talking about this, not just republicans. he seems so detached from where middle america is right now. what does the president do in the coming weeks or months to reconnect with people the way he was connected in 2008? >> see, i don't think he personally is detached. he has got a staff full of insiders from inside the beltway.
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he kind of don't really get what is happening in terms of people's lives elsewhere. the president, i think, is very much in gear. i think he has been terrific. >> wait, wait, wait. come on, my man, howard! >> i absolutely believe that. >> no, the president may fret personally and may care personally but is that message getting out of the white house to middle america? >> i think it does when he is out there. before he went to, i think, a well-deserved vacation, he was in all these different places. he was in ohio, he was in michigan, he was in -- on the west coast. he goes to awful these places, nevada is another one and he lays it out there. he is fighting and standing up for something. that's what people want. it's are you willing to fight for me? that's why the tea party people are winning republican primaries. are you willing to fight for me? barack obama is willing to do that. he has got to be out there every
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single day, not in washington. do not stay in washington. >> john heilemann, this is truly a sad moment. "morning joe," which has been on since 1987, right? we have never given a gold medal away to anybody and then had to take it back. we are going to have to take -- i gave it to him last week. we have to take it back. >> that's not nice. >> john heilemann, come on. howard dean is a straight-shooter and yet he is saying barack obama is just doing everything right. >> well, those gold medals are hash brownies and i think his eyes are clear the governor already had. hash bouny brownies. >> he's a doctor! >> it's medical. >> the president and the white house have had some extraordinary legislative achievements over the course of the first 18 months in office. what they have not done is done a compelling coherent job of selling those to the country. and it's been the most striking
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thing. a president who played the outside game, out in the country, so incredibly effectively in 2008, had failed to sell the health care bail bill, has failed to explain the health care bill after its passage and the stimulus has been effective. a. i agree with governor dean he has to pick up his game. what they have failed at is out in the country outside of washington convincing people they are doing the right thing. that has been the biggest and most mysterious failure of this administration, i think. >> this doom and gloom, obama is in deep trouble, blah, blah, blah. look at his numbers right now. look at his numbers right now. people don't approve of his performance on the economy and the health care. they still like him. and his numbers -- >> true. >> -- his numbers whether they like him or not is still in the 50% range. that is not great but better than reagan's were in 1982. i think if you had to make a bet right this second, i would bet
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>> you're on vacation! >> thank you. >> it was nice of her to send in that slip. >> calling in from cannes. she is getting ready for next year, the film festival. "news you can't use." a new piece in "vanity fair" about sarah palin and we will talk to the author of that piece coming up later on "morning joe." it is called sarah palin, the sound and the fury by michael gross. it is epic piece. among other things, says she is a bad tipper and she gets in violent fights inside her home with the first dude and says she is completely di connected from her hometown now and accuses her of lying about her past as a hunter. here is a quote from one of many anonymous sources in the piece. this whole thing for sarah?
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sarah palin took to twitter to respond. kind of vaguely. she wrote -- >> good question. >> mike barnicle, you read the piece. what were your first reactions? >> i'm at the point now where i'm convinced that sarah palin is very happy, probably the happiest she has ever been in her life because she is making $15 million a year. give her a good leaving alone for a while. something we are unable to do. but leave her alone. >> i know you read through some of it. were you surprised by any of the details in here, having covered sarah palin pretty extensively yourself some.
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>> you know, there's -- there's no question that the suddenness of putting her on the ticket unlike most other national figures who get to be on the republican ticket after years of scrutiny, she still really a new face in american life and so there are going to be reporters who are going to go back and talk to people in her hometown and other places she has been and find people coming forward. for most politicians this happens over an extended period of years. for her it's still coming out and we will see this as long as she continues to be a national phenomenon. >> nobody wanted to talk on the record. i'm not going to talk about anything, are you crazy? let's go out on something else. shall we? you know this. every year, we get together and celebrate the el salvador's flame-throwing festival and commemorates 1922 e vuption of
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eruption of a solg volcano when we come back, complete coverage on hurricane earl. where it's going and how will it impact your holiday weekend. keep it a "morning joe." ♪
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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." it's 7:00 in the morning on the
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east coast. i'm willie geist. joe and mika have the day off but we have mike barnicle, chris jansing and mort zuckerman and john heilemann with us this morning. and from washington, katie kay. we will get to her in a moment. we want to get to our big story this morning. hurricane earl. >> residents bracing for a possible strike from that strengthening hurricane earl that is barreling towards the northeast here. let's take a check of the weather with meteorologist bill karins who has been tracking this storm for us. >> the storm intensified overnight. not what anyone in north carolina or new england wanted to hear. you're looking at one of the strongest storms to ever threaten the east coast of the united states. 145-mile-per-hour winds. just a monster of a hurricane out here. and if this track was about 50 miles closer to the coast, this would be a stircht different story and talking about one of the most devastating and destructive storms to move up
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the east coast but the path has remained offshore. 15-mile-per-hour winds. everywhere in orange where you get the tropical storm gusts. if you go inside the orange color and the tropical storm force winds you have a chance of losing power. we will still see power outages but the heart of the storm will remain offshore. huge waves approaching the outer banks. 13-foot waves and 13-foot waves off the florida coastline. the forecast path still is remaining offshore but barely. only 70 miles off of the north coast and now only 20 miles off of new england's coastline so that is the big concern. as we go through friday to saturday, we will see more damage than was expected on cape cod and martha's vineyard and sections of rhode island. now is the time to get off of the outer banks and category 4 is dangerously close. a tiny shift to the west will put the eye wall on to the outer
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banks and they will see damage out there if that is the case and worse they could see in a long time. the storm should weaken as it heads up off cape cod. tropical storm force winds through maryland and delaware and in philadelphia, you will see a little bit of wind. the storm is going to be moving so fast it's not going to produce a ton of rain but this is a scary, close call. definitely making everyone nervous. >> bill, thanks. check in with you later on. now live to the weather channel's paul goodloe. he is in chatham, massachusetts. how are things shaping up there? >> we are under a hurricane watch. we could feel hurricane conditions in 48 hours and could be updated in a hurricane warning. as we head throughout the day on thursday. take a look at chatham harbor here. it looks pretty calm, right? in fact, it is. but, yesterday, it was even more calm than it is right now. we're actually feeling a breeze which is refreshing. yesterday, temperatures close to
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90 degrees with no breeze at all. now you can see some of the flags in the distance with a lip right now but they have been blowing from time to time. winds on and off about 4 or 5 miles per hour and gusting ma e maymaybe but all of those conditions will continue to increase as the winds increases and the wind throughout the day. and definitely as we head into friday as well. now we're kind of protected here in the harbor. there is part of a sand bar out here and cape cod and national seashore off in the difference. we are not expecting huge waves here but off in the distance we have noticed more white caps breaking with the waves here as we're already feeling some of the effects of hurricane earl. still hundreds of miles away. as it approaches this area, right now, nantucket island is almost in the center of that swath or that cone of prekickion prediction of where hurricane earl is coming. if you're 50 miles within the
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coast of new england you need to prepare your home right now. a lot of people still thinking it's clear skies, the wind is barely moving out here. why should we prepare? we still have plenty of time. no, the winds will increase throughout the day and if you live within 50 miles of the atlantic ocean here across the new england area, you need to prepare. we've had a pretty harsh winter and a pretty hot summer, meaning that some of the trees out here have gone through a pretty rough year and some are diseased. if you have perhaps a tree that doesn't look too safe close to your house, we're at the end of summer so a full canopy of leaves on the trees will act as sails and catch the strong winds which could be tropical storm force or maybe hurricane force and depending how close you are to the coast and that cause a lot of tree damage around the area. the good news as it comes in, it moves out fast as well but a rough time from friday evening into, say, mid-morning saturday of potentially getting hit by hurricane earl. >> paul, i know you're up in
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massachusetts, but what is your advice at 7:00 a.m. for the people on the outer banks of north carolina some time to pack up and get? >> time to pack up to go was yesterday. but if they are still there right now do your last-minute preparations and get out of there. it's much better to be safe than sorry. if they know anyone who has been through a hurricane, ask them and they will probably tell them to get out. it's not worth sticking around for this one. this one looks very dangerous. >> the weather channel's paul goodloe, thank you very much. maryland police are piecing together a motive for the hostage standoff inside the discovery channel headquarters yesterday. documents show lee railed against the cable show's programming for years and claiming it did overpopulation.
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as the crisis unfolded yesterday, nbc news spoke directly to the gunman. take a listen. >> do you have a gun? >> i have a gun and i have a bomb. i have several bombs strapped to my body ready to go off. >> in the meantime, after nearly two-year hiatus, israeli and palestinian prime minister will have peace talks in washington today. following a day of individual meetings with both leaders president obama said yesterday, he was, quote, cautiously hopeful about achieving a positive outcome. >> if we do not make the attempt, then failure is guaranteed. if both sides do not commit to these talks in earnest, then the long-standing conflict will only continue to fester and consume another generation and this, we simply cannot allow. >> katie kay in washington, mort
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zucker man prefers to see these type of meetings done in private and not on the froth pages of the newspaper. does the president or the two sides more hopeful today than they have been in past years? where are we right now? >> i think everyone is cautious about the hope in all of this, willie. i can understand mort's point, because whenever we have had any kind of progress in the middle east before, it's tended to take place behind closed doors. remember oz on low was behind closed doors and any talks between the turks and the syrians were behind closed doors and seems where more progress is made. the white house feels they had very little choice, that they had to take on these talks. the moratorium on settlement building runs out on september 26th. and in the run-up to that, they felt the talks had to take place. they would like to get out of this is some commitment from the israelis that that moratorium will be extended on building settlements in the west bank beyond the 26th. prime minister netanyahu, at the
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moment, at least, saying that is not an option. look. the white house is pretty sanguin. this is not an yaes time to get peace in the middle east. no easier now than the decades everybody has been trying, but they just felt it was better to try than not to try. >> mort, for people watching from the outside who don't follow this day in, day out, saying what is different now? here we go again. what is different now? >> not much is different. and that is the problem. the real issue is there is a deadline at the end of september with respect to the moratorium. the israeli government will not be able to withstand the immense pressure, given the promises that were made that induced them to do the ten-month moratorium and for them to extend it now without having any kind of major reciprocal part on the palestinians is very difficult. in that part of the world you don't make unilateral gestures.
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they are seen as an expression of weakness. if there is no quid pro quo on the other side it will be difficult for the israelis to extend it. >> when you say the other side, the palestinian side. >> yes. >> are there any significant differences today than there were when you were carrying messages from the clinton administration to israel 15 years ago? are there any significant differences today? >> well, there have been a lot of in terms of the palestinian view of things, basically, no. but, you know, the fact is that everybody understands what the general outlines of the deal are in terms of territory. it's the issue of security that has now changed. what has changed is the tech knowledge technology of weaponry. that is one thing. that's one threat to the country. but it's nothing like the threat if it turns out they get 8 thousand rockets and mortars from the west bank because that
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threatens jerusalem and tel aviv and the one airport. the whole issue because of the change in technology has to be address inside a different way and what the israelis learned in lebanon you can have any one of the u.n. force and not fight to prevent the wars from starting again so it has to be israeli security forces. >> that is more paramount than settlements? >> absolutely. >> can i say one thing that i think may have changed? has is the feeling in israel and the region that iran is that much closer to having a nuclear weapon. and that is focusing israeli minds in a way that we haven't seen before and if prime minister netanyahu wants to get, you know, if israel were to to strike against iran's nuclear facilities then he needs some sort of backing or tacit approval from the world and support from the rest of the world and maybe focus his attention on getting the peace
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process moving at the moment. >> that's a very good point. the sunni arab countries feel under threat from iran. i happen to have been in egypt two weeks after it happened that they discovered a hezbollah cell in egypt that was going to blow up an oil tanker in the suez canal and blow unthe two main tourist sites in egypt? why? these are what earns the hard currency for that country. the two most economic supports for that country and they felt like it would destabilize the economy and destabilize mu bar k and create and opening for the brotherhood. so everybody in that part of the world understands that iran is the danger and when i spoke to a very high official, he said you can't deal with iran by shaking hands. you have to deal with them with a clenched fist. for them, israel is an ally and hezbollah and hamas to them are holy owned subsidiaries of iran so it does help in a sense, but it doesn't affect the palestinians that way. >> mort, let me ask you a
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political question. you talked before about having the talks in public is mainly for domestic political consumption. i think it's fair to say -- >> our domestic. >> correct, yes. i think it's fair to say in the first 19 months of the obama administration there is no constituency with whom he has lost more ground, apart perhaps the wall street executives, than american jews. right? the president has seen -- has been seen to a lot of american jews as being the hostile to israel. >> yes. >> there has been a sense that he is really lost a lot of support. the polls show this. it's not quite as bad as the situation with his polling in israeli itself but it's pretty bad. does is it change that? does this help him with jews or does this hurt him or do nothing for him getting these talks started? >> i don't think it will hurt him. i also don't think it will help him. the real issue is what are his positions now? if israel, for example, is forced to make unilateral concessions it will compound the problems he is having. it's not that the american
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jewish community overwhelmingly support a settlement but don't feel it's going to happen when you put the pressure on the israeli and not the palestinians and that is the way they felt it has gone. >> isn't it also a risk the president been seen to do anything that is not focused on domestic policy at the moment and not focused on jobs is a problem on for him? i thought one thing the american public wants the american president to be focused on is jobs and the economy and here he is talking about the middle east peace process with a little chance of success. i don't think there is a huge political gain in this for the president especially if it will not succeed. >> i think it's probably right, although the -- if you think these talks are important to the future of security in the region and to america's interest you occasionally have to put foreign policy ahead of domestic policy and i think that is a trade the president would make. >> let's talk mid terms. >> joe miller, alaska's newly mined republican senate candidate is taking aim at president obama.
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he gave an interview to cnn yesterday. the tea party backed miller warned that the nation was facing a dire fiscal crisis and heading towards socialism. >> if you had to, in a sentence or two, describe obama how would you do that? >> bad for america. >> that's one sentence. you don't often get that out of a politician. on what do you base that? >> he is one of the major forces moving this country. towards socialism. he is expanding the entitlement state. it is the wrong direction for america. i would suggest to you again that bad for america is an apt description. >> so arguably biggest upset of the primary season, but take a look at this new rasmussen poll. miller has a six-poi lead 50-44 over the democrats. scott mcadams. >> john, we keep hearing from people. no one saw this coming. is that consistent with your reporting? even the night before talking to people, they thought murkowski
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had this won. >> murkowski is a sitting senator and i don't think anybody expected this to happen. you can tell how unexpected it was by what the candidate the democrats put up who is the mayor of a town in alaska with 6 thousand people and no access to it. i mean, this is a race that democrats never thought they could win because they assumed that the incumbent would be at the top -- would be the nominee for the republican side. >> is it the power of palin? is it the power of palin? >> she is unquestionably proving to be someone whose endorsement in the republican party matters a lot and she has an incredible winning streak going. this is one more feather in her cap to demonstrate her influence with the party. >> in a state where mitt romney is outpolling her. >> yes, indeed. >> interesting. >> when we come back, savannah guthrie has this morning's headlines out of the white house. also an exclusive first look at the new issue of "time" magazine with managing editor rick stengel. you can always listen to "morning joe" live on satellite radio sirius channel 90 and xm,
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peace? >> welcome back to "morning joe." israeli prime minister binge benjamin netanyahu and mahmoud abbas to have peace talks today in washington. savannah guthrie is live at the white house. >> good morning. >> i want to pick up something catty said a while ago. turning the page from iraq and time to focus on the economy and here we are today, the front pages dominated by peace talks for the middle east. >> well, i mean, it shows what we all know about the modern presidency. you got to be able to walk and chew gum. in terms of messaging, the timing isn't perfect. we got the bad economic news last week, a week the president happened to be on vacation at martha's vineyard. while they may want to come back with a strong economic message, in fact, they have had this iraq
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withdraw time deadline set in stone and now this opportunity, as i'm sure they see it, to do these direct talks in the middle east. so we saw the president come out monday, talk about the economy, try to goose congress on that small business lending bill. but there is no question about it. i mean, everybody inside this building knows that what americans are clamoring for is some clarity about the economy, where it's going, and what, if anything, this administration feels it can do to try to product this recovery again. i think there is an issue of whether there are any great ideas left out there as a practical matter. two, if there were any great economic ideas, how do you get them passed in this political environment? i mean, it's high time for campaigning. republicans and democrats in congress out there fighting for their lives. there is no appetite for new spending. this administration is looking hard at a variety of options, including additional tax cuts perhaps, including additional small business help but it's always tempering that balance between what they think might
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help on the economy and what can be gotten through in congress. underlying all of it is that there really is no magic bullet. nobody is sitting on some great idea and, boy, if we just had the votes in congress, that would purn everything around. it's not reality. >> mr. president, how are you going to get me a job is what you hear. >> right. savannah, i was wondering, you know, with every pollster now coming out with higher predictions for republican gains, both in the house and in the senate, i mean, how gloomy are they feeling at the white house? how much do they feel this is their responsibility, that there is anything they can do? what is the mood among the people that you are speaking to? >> i think it depends on who you're talking to. i think there is a decent amount of frustration because this is the worst economy in 70 years. this is the hand they are dealt. there isn't one single thing the president can do.
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i think there is probably significant debate whether he should give a big economic speech or try to roll out a series of items to try to fix the economy because it will bang right up against the reality that it's not like there's some plan that would suddenly open the flood gates to job creation. it just doesn't exist. i think everyone is bracing for getting a beating in the mid terms but even beyond that, i mean, this recovery is just a lot slower than anyone anticipated certainly in this administration. it's a real problem. >> savannah, stay with us. we want to bring into the conversation from washington mark regge. good morning to you, mark. >> good morning. >> the prime minister said yesterday he wants a, quote, historic compromise to come out of these peace talks. what specifically is mr. netanyahu looking for out of president abbas in it these kaus some. >> a comprehensive peace agreement that finally brings
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peace and quiet to both the israelis and palestinians. a two-state resolution why a palestinian state recognizes the legitimacy of the jewish state. >> there was an attack by hamas that killed four israelis within the last several days. the prime minister has made reference to it in terms of the security requirements. could you expand a little bit on the security requirements that israel feels it needs in order to proceed to a final resolution of this? >> look. these attacks, these terrible attacks just underscore the need that with peace, you got to have security. you can't have one without the other. i mean, israel vacated the gaza strip some five years ago. a land we transferred to the arab side were a land we were attacked with with thousands of rockets. we don't want tob vacating the west bank and have rockets from the territory we pull out of. we want peace and historic reconciliation but they have to be ironclad arrangements on the
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ground to prevent areas from being vacated turning into errors where terrorists come in and they shoot oklahoma -- rockets at israel. there is no contradictions between palestinian seeking softenern softenernty. >> mark, mort zuckerman, earlier today, said the problem with this it's too public, these negotiations. president obama stepped up in a big way now and has taken on these talks. what does prime minister nettan use has working from the american side in terms of leadership? what role does he want president obama to play? >> obviously, the americans always play an important part in these talks, but this has to be a bilaterally process between us and the palestinians. we need direct talks we come to the table eyeball to eyeball and the two putting concerns on the table. it's not easy. the issues on the table are
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complex, they are difficult. but a deal is possible and we're committed to try to reach one. >> catty kay? >> mark, you have prime minister netanyahu calling mr. abbas a partner in peace. hamas is not even included in these talks. i was just wondering about the timing of this. why now? what do you think you can get out of the palestinians that you haven't got before and to what extent is iran actually part of the timing factor? >> the timing was unfortunate in many ways. we have been calling now for a year and a half. i mean, since prime minister netanyahu came in office. he has been called for starting direct talks with the palestinians without preconditions. they had some problems with that. we wasted some time but we are finally there and now we have to exploit the opportunity. you're right about hamas. hamas has condemned the arabs here in washington today and they are against peace and
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against reconciliation and 3ub publicly say israel should be destroyed and say every israeli civilian, man, woman and child is a legitimate target. we see that in their actions. it's not just in their words. unfortunately, hamas is proud of the part, not part of the solution. their iran support makes them very dangerous. >> mark, there is a flurry of optimism yesterday and today. front page pieces on the meetings yesterday in the white house with all of the participants there. but where will you be two months from now? where do these meetings go? >> i hope we're moving forward but the truth is back home, back in israel, i think is there a lot of skepticism because israelis have been there before and been promising them a better future of peace, reconciliation. there is skepticism and i think also on the palestinian side. the challenge of leadership, the challenge of prime minister netanyahu and president abbas is to prove the skeptics wrong. that's what we have to try to do. >> quickly, before i let you go,
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president abbas has called for prime minister netanyahu to freeze settlement activity in the west bank. are you prepared to agree to that? >> we have frozen the settlement activity as part of a ten-month moratorium. >> after that expires. >> now the talks are starting we i think the issue of settlement has to be on the negotiating table. let's put them on the table and let's negotiate and find common ground. not to dictate one side to the other but to negotiate and find common ground. >> mark reggae, we wish you the best of luck. savannah guthrie, thank you. we will see you on "the daily rundown" an hour and a half from now. when we come back update on the bizarre hostage situation that unfolded yes at the headquarters of the discovery channel and talk with the nbc news producer that spoke with the gunman on the phone during the standoff. we will be right back on
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as we have been reporting this morning, police shot and killed a gunman who held three hostages yesterday at the discover channel's headquarters in maryland. officials say the 43-year-old identified as james j. lee was a radical environmentist who long
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list of demands included a change in the cable canal's programming. joining us live from silver spring, maryland, nbc's tom costello. >> good morning to you. the bomb squad cleared this building overnight and removed and detonated four separate devices. they found pipe bombs as well and sacks with ski masks and guns in them. so now this is still a crime scene with the police still in the lobby. this all began yesterday afternoon when the gunman walked into the discovery building and wanted to speak to executives. now during that time, nbc news called the building, suddenly the gunman was on the phone with one of our producers. we stayed on the phone with him while consulting with the police. the police told us keep him talking, pass the information on to the police, we did exactly that. >> reporter: the lunch hour was just ending when witnesses say the gunman walked into the discovery channel headquarters outside of washington waving a
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handgun wearing what appeared to be explosives and ordering nerch the lobby to stay still. we know the suspect was james j. lee whose long list of demands included a change in discovery channel programming. word of the hostage situation spread an nbc news producer called the discovery channel general number and suddenly lee himself picked up the phone. >> no one has been shot. >> do you have a gun? >> i have a gun and i have a bomb. i have several bombs strapped to my body ready to go off. >> we do know the lines of communication are open with this man. >> nbc news immediately consulted with police and decided against reporting the conversation until the situation was over. while lee held three hostages at gunpoint, most of the building's 1,900 employees were told to evacuate and did. including all of the children in a day care center on the first floor. >> someone came to me running
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saying don't go into the lobby. there is some action going on there like there are cops inside. >> we weren't sure if the gunman was going to come up the other floors or anything. >> reporter: police say james lee of maryland had a history of protesting in front of the discovery channel. handing out rambling leaflets calling for more programming about global warming and animal extinction. after attracting crowds by throws thousands of dollars into the air, he was arrested in february of 2008 and pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct. lee told our nbc news producer he had spent time preparing for this attack. >> so how long have you been working on this particular bomb? >> three weeks, around three weeks or a month. >> three weeks? >> did a lot of research. i had to experiment. >> and how many bombs, again, do you have? >> i have several. >> our producer asked what skills lee had to build a bomb. >> i did some welding. i was a welder. parts. i did some parts. did that. did that. did that. did that, help prepare you for what you're doing today?
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>> well, yeah. everything i do in life, everything one does in life prepares you for what you're going to do, right. >> then police started negotiating for three hours by telephone. while watching him through the lobby windows and with cameras inside the lobby, they could see he was holding three men hostage and appeared to be wearing pipe bombs. finally, nearly four hours after the crisis began, they saw him point his gun at the hostages. >> but, at that point, our tactical units moved in. they shot the suspect. the suspect is disease deceased. >> all three hostages were released, rescued, unharmed, including one security guard. by the way, the discover channel tells us they were aware of mr. lee, but they never took his threats seriously. guys, back to you. >> what a story. nbc tom costello, thank you. the producer you heard is rob marevis who runs the desk over here to us and spoke to the gun
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nan the middle of that crisis. good morning. >> good morning. >> how did you get the guy on the horn? >> we had initial reports of some kind of situation at the discovery channel but nothing confirmed so as part of our centered operating procedure, we started calling authorities and one of the places we happened to call was the discovery channel and in the course of making that conversation, he answered the phone. >> he answered the phone. >> what goes through your mind? you're calling to get a confirmation presumably from somebody who works in public relations for discovery and next thing you know, you have a potentially volatile situation on your hands. >> well, absolutely. you know, as soon as we found out that to the best of our knowledge this was, in fact, the gentleman who was making threats against the building, we contacted the police immediately and we just -- i did my best just to keep him on the line. i figured if he was talking to me, he wasn't doing anything else in the building hopefully. >> when did you real that you were talking to the suspect some. >> he sounded like an individual when we called the facility that didn't belong there. he seemed a little bit anxious
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and he identified himself right away as the gentleman who is, in fact, wearing a device. >> there was a very good line of inquiry. >> there was. >> just in the clips that we played. how did you get there with the questions? it was very good. >> well, you know, you never want to be part of the story. i wanted to get as much information that was pertinent to hopefully report it in the future, but also you want to keep him talking. he was very actively promoting his website which was sort of a manifesto if you will of several bullet points. at the same time we were asking him questions we were reading the website where we could go next with the questioning primarily to keep him on the line. >> how long was the call? how long did you keep him on the phone? >> probably 10, 15 minutes max. >> did he hang up? >> he got another phone call in the background and dropped off of our line. >> at what stage of the crisis was this? was this early on, right before he was shot? >> this was several hours before he was shot. i believe the police was trying to get in contact with him
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because it probably continued another three hours before it ended. >> how did you feel? you talked to him at 2:00 and at 5:30. the guy you talked to on the phone had been shot to death. >> it's is a real surreal. i was glad nobody in the building were hurt. >> rob, you did a good job on the phone, keeping him on the line and asking questions. good job. >> can i have your number in case somebody calls me with a similar concern? >> thanks, rob. the new issue of "time" magazine is next on "morning joe." ♪ interesting grooming. thanks. i got the idea from general mills big g cereals. they put a white check on the top of every box to let people know that their cereals have healthy whole grain, and they're the right choice... (announcer) general mills makes getting whole grain an easy choice. just look for the white check.
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♪ >> we're with "time" managing editor rick stengel who is here to unveil the latest issue of "time" magazine. how is the shoulder? >> the shoulder is feeling a lot better. one more week of this thing, i think. then i will be back to looking like you guys. >> that had to take teams of
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engineers to construct. that is unbelievable. >> can we get a shot of that thing? it's an amazing conkraption you have there. >> you know the old joke i have two cold beers in here. >> what is on the cover of "time"? >> the middle east peace talks, and the cover line is why israel doesn't want peace. and the idea is basically our great chief did a story how the fact that the israelis -- israeli society is functioning incredibly well. gdp growth is up. they are happy. there are a million new russian immigrants and a lot of on digital entrepreneurs and they have more companies on, you know, the stock exchange in the u.s. than mostly any other country. most of the israelis decided the palestinians are not a threat. the real threat is iran. we're having a good life. we don't really care. that's it.
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and, in fact, what we're seeing with netanyahu he is a late out ahead a lot of his sxents which i think is true but most israelis don't care about peace and don't think it's impossible. >> until a guy from hamas steps out of a suv and shoots and kills. >> they haven't had a car bombing in two and a half years. the sad truth really is that the wall with the west bank has actually worked. i mean, most israelis in the course of their lives don't come into contact with any palestinians at all. the wall is functioning. and the gaza strip is so small and so isolated they feel that those folks, the hamas folks are not that big of a threat. >> hamas did kill four settlers and wounded two more. could they essentially exercise an assassin's veto on this peace process? >> they could. i like that phrase assassin's veto. the israelis are much more worried about iran than they are about the palestinians. the palestinians have been separated now between the west bank and gaza. the west bank, where i was last
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year, is functioning really well. they have an effective police force and they have an effective military. i mean, the israelis feel like, you know what? the status quo isn't so bad and we don't mind is there is no peace at all. >> is this political theater, catty kay? >> it looks like good theater having the leaders out there. rick, do you think the given israelis attitudes to the palestinians receding as a threat at the moment, do you think there is any relationship between the need to make peace with the palestinians in order to get regional approval for some kind of action against iran? >> well, that's a very fair question. i think one of the things that netanyahu is doing is that at least he wants to give the appearance that he is seeking some kind of peace process with the palestinians in order to actually get help from the united states on iran. i mean, you could probably argue, too, i can't speak for the administration, that the administration certainly sees iran as a greater threat than the palestinians. >> all right. rick stengel, thanks so much.
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only about a month left in the baseball regular season. our continuing summer book series we talk to will leach, the author of "are we winning, fathers and sons in the new golden age of baseball." you have the new book out. "are we winning?" tell us about it. >> certainly it's about two major things. it is at wrigley field. i grew up a die hard fan. and a lot of it really based around the idea, each halfening is a chapter of the book about baseball history and connects with fatherhood and how they come together. one, the baseball side of the book, i try to make the argument that the notion that baseball's best time was in the past i think is a human kind of thing to think that things were better
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when you were younger. i think the best baseball ever played by the mid-'80s cardinals but, you know, most people think it's '60s if that was when you were raised at the time. >> i was raised in the early '70s. pete rose, hank mays, as good as it gets. >> i think it is the '80s. certainly, when you look at the statistics and the finances and so on, baseball is flourishing now in a way it hasn't. there are more people watching total and proportionallywise now than ever in history. looking at 1961 and the way it's talked about now, the home run chase, the thing that changed the nation. all eyes of the world were on it and look at yankee stadium, one quarter full that day. i think a lot of it is -- it was an important thing. we all cared about that but the idea that -- yeah. in a lot of ways baseball watched everywhere both on the web and we have talked about in
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the past the idea that baseball is so easy to find now. >> it's stunning. mike barnicle, the father and sons part of this. i really do, i envy you and your sons that go to the red sox games all the time and there is no sport like baseball to sit for nine innings and just know your kids by the end of the nine innings. no other sport is like baseball. >> no, no. it is a conversational game. you don't go to football -- junior barnicle loves baseball. >> goodwin talking about it all the time you don't go to a football game, hockey game, basketball game and talk about what happened during the day. i take my son willie to games. you know, we talk. >> yeah. >> you talk during the game. because it's such an individual, isolated experience on the field. as well as in the stands. the players are by themselves on the field. >> why do you think it links
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fathers and sons the way it does and fathers and daughters? >> the media instant language in a lot of ways. any time i have had something -- my father's an american man, an electrician. very bewildered i became a writer in any way, shape or form and i don't blame him. we live very different lives but this is an instant -- no matter what happens, not easy like with a lot of fathers and children to have the heart to hearts and immediate how are you feeling? let's hug. not really the way a lot of fathers and children have it. >> common ground. >> yeah. when there's something going on, baseball interperfect interlude to talk about 20, 25 minutes about the cardinals and what else is happening? and it's an instant -- the game itself when you go to a game, the idea there's action going on on the field and not constant action. >> boys need something to look at when they kind of get uncomfortable and don't have anything to talk about with their dad and so there's the game. >> you can go three innings without talking.
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>> talk about did game and then that slides off into other things and then look back at the game nervously. >> it's also more than any other american sport, maybe any other sport in the world, it's a memory game. you reference the '61 yankees. blah blah blah. mantle. your dad can say, oh, mantle and maris better than pujols. that's the reference. his memory versus your current observations. >> the way we perceive the game is so different now because people are statistically oriented. my father has no idea and that's another topic. >> i think my dad would say, i don't get it. like george h.w. bush. i don't get it. but the sons want to -- >> my dad, when i was young, my dad rushed home from work every day, get in the backyard before dinner, throw until our arms were tired and go in and eat dinner. >> you liked it because it took you from dance class.
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>> tutu for catch. >> how many times willie wanted the take the slippers to little league. those are my memories of my dad. it is funny. my dad helped coach basketball, baseball, football. you name it. every sport he was there, always coaching but i always remember baseball. i remember going out to the field and playing. >> yep. >> there's something about this sport. >> it is the most beautiful game on earth ore than soccer. >> will, thanks so much for coming on with us. >> of course. >> "are we winning?" >> can't wait to read that. >> looks great. that was fun. thanks very much. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ every day, it's getting closer ♪
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live pictures of chatham, massachusetts, at 8:00 in the morning. as they get ready to get a little bit of -- little bit of hurricane earl. the real stuff's going to hit outer banks of north carolina this morning. welcome to "morning joe." i'm willie geist. mika and joe has the morning off. we have our mortal enemy mort zuckerman around the table with us today. >> i like you.
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>> the big story, chris, hurricane earl. >> we can't stop talking about it. >> it affects a lot of people. >> north carolina, virginia, maryland, under a state of emergency this morning as hurricane earl churns towards the nation's east coast. bill karins is with us with the very latest. how's the track locking right now? >> it did shift closer to chatham, massachusetts. the storm's going to be worse in cape cod. forecast for north carolina hasn't changed much but what did change last night is the intensity. this storm rapidly intensified, 145-mile-per-hour winds. category 4 storm, one of the strongest we have seen coming up the east coast and thankfully not right along the coast and moving parallel to the coastline. going over to graphics weather ii, the track and what will happen throughout the next couple of days. we'll watch the storm first affecting areas of north carolina as we go during the day today and then towards tonight, that's when the worst of it should arrive out there on the
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outer banks. as far as south carolina, you are clear. georgia is clear, too. if we could switch, we'll show the storm moving to the north up the coastline and what it looks like dealing with the worst comes. we do disappearing acts, too. the bottom line is the holiday weekend looks just fine. the problem weather throughout tonight and areas of cape cod, areas on the outer banks, cape cod's problems friday night into saturday morning. the storm is gone by saturday and the labor day plans for everyone on the table that cares about the hamptons, you will be just fine. >> let's be serious. that's all anyone cares about. >> bill, what happened to you? >> i'm working on a new magic act. it actually was successful. >> so far, so good. >> yeah. i won't try to do it again, though. >> if it doesn't come true -- look at that. >> halloween is coming up. >> show off. thank you, bill. let's go live to mike seidel in montauk, long island.
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how are you doing there, mike? >> reporter: hey, another beautiful day here, chris. much like yesterday and the day before and the day before that. we're well ahead of earl right now. the sun is up. another day in the 80s. winds picked up a little bit from the southwest at about 10 miles per hour. the worst of the weather here hits hamptons and montauk tomorrow evening and tomorrow night. moving by very quick. look at the atlantic this morning. we have four to five footers. breaking further out. i don't think many people are going to go in the water today at all because it's way too dangerous. not past their ankles or knees because of the rip current action. we have a pretty good dyne line here. protecting this property. and these rooms which are going for at least $300 a night. i can tell you that personally. even though the tide comes up into the dune line the next day, day and a half as earl goes by, we are not overly concerned about structural damage and wind gusts probably top out 45 to 50,
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maybe a gust to 55 miles per hour. that usually doesn't cause a lot of issues, maybe a few shingles here and there. the fact that the weekend will be superb here, fall weather moves in. temperatures in the 70s. it will be breezy and the ocean will still be rough most of saturday. that will start to ease up on sunday. so, the you're heading out to the hamptons, mike barnicle -- i believe -- i don't know if he has an estate out here. no problems with property out here for the most part. just the beaches will take a real battering. >> how's the estate holding up? >> i lease my place in the hamptons for the month of august and september and i have another place in chatham which is on cape cod which apparently is also going to be hit and mort zuckerman is here and he was a lifeguard in montauk in the 1938 hurricane and remembers it very well. >> i didn't survive. i'm here on a reincarnated form. >> reporter: i can tell you that the cape is going to get hit
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harder than here sticki ining farther out. they could take a direct hit and a landfalling hurricane in down east maine. almost unheard of. the cape gets hit harder than here. the problem with the weekend on the cape, may be aftermath and power issues. see how that shakes out. >> from a layman's look at the weather map as bill just showed us, looks as if the track could actually take it right into nantucket, 20 miles off caped to s. that accurate? >> that could happen and will be in a weakened stage. by that point, it will be a strong 1 or weak category 2. that's not to say that won't cause problems because when bob came up here it was weak. remember, surges up in parts of rhode island and massachusetts over 12 feet so even a strong 1 or weak 2 will do problems, do damage and cause trees and power lines to go down. the concern after hatteras late tonight and tomorrow morning is
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going to be cape cod and the outer islands based on the current track. hopefully jogs to the west. remember, the forecast here, two days out is about 100 miles so if we can get it out 100 miles or 50 miles, that saves the cape from a wind impact. they will have the water impact like here and the erosion is significant. these beaches which are very narrow were hammered by noreida in march and high tide in a few hours back up here and the beach under water even well before earl gets here and puts it in perspective. luckily out here, we have a nice rise in elevation, a lot of bluffs out here unlike a lot of beaches if you bring the water up a few weeks, it goes into town several blocks. >> mike seidel, thanks, mike. maryland police are piecing together a motive for the standoff today. officials say the 43-year-old was shot and killed after strapping an explosive devoes to
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his body and holding three people hostage. documents show lee railed against the cable channel's programming for years. according to court records, lee said he experienced a, quote, awakening watching former vice president al gore's documentary "an inconvenient truth." yesterday nbc news spoke directly to the gunman. take a listen. >> do you have a gun? >> i have a gun and i have a bomb. i have several bombs strapped to my body read to go off. >> after a nearly two-year hiatus, israeli prime minister netanyahu and palestinian president abbas set to restart talks today. following a day of individual meetings with both leaders, president obama said yesterday he was, quote, cautiously hopeful about achieving a positive outcome. >> if we do not make the attempt then failure is guaranteed.
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if both sides do not commit to these talks in earnest, then the longstanding conflict will only continue to fester and consume another generation and this we simply cannot allow. joe miller, the newly-minted candidate taking aim at president obama today. in an interview with cnn, the tea party-backed miller warned that the nation is facing a dire fiscal crisis and heading towards socialism. >> if you had to in a sentence or two, describe barack obama, how would you describe him? >> bad for america. >> on what do you base that? >> a major force moving the country toward socialism. expanding the entitlement state. it is wrong for america. i would suggest bad for america is an apt description. >> and there's that new poll out. here you see it, joe mill we are a lead over scott mcadams by 6
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percentage points. this is taken of likely voters of alaska's senate race. a new report shows bp shelled out more than $93 million on advertising in the months following the rig explosion in the gulf of mexico. that's triple what the oil giant spent on ads in the same period last year. leaders of the house energy and commerce committee released the data with a congresswoman calling the numbers insensitive to the taxpayers and business owners harmed by the blowout. a bp spokesman said the money was a small share of what it's spent to pay claims of the oil spill. about $1.6 billion now. >> you were shaking your head at the quote of the unnamed member of the congress about bp's advertising efforts y.? >> why? because they're a huge public company. they have to find some way to appeal to the public in terms of presenting their case. they're not going to be able to get it any other way. i don't see a problem with them
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trying to explain what they're doing. >> they're pretty effective. >> they committed $20 billion and rightly and want to get some credit for it in terms of dealing with the issue. there are many things wrong with what they did and not unreasonably trying to present what they're doing. >> a lot of jobs at stake with this so -- all right. >> i just said we have a really close friend of the show, a guy who knows us all by first name. >> a fan of the show, actually. >> we have a great relationship with him. >> who is he, joe? >> mr. al rockier with us from kill devil hills. al, what a pleasure to have you on the show again this morning. >> listen, listen. first, i want to apologize. i -- your producer didn't tell me that joe was off. i don't have a monitor so i could n't see who i was talking to. >> i understand now. >> noisy out here with the surf. you know you and i have this bond. >> come on. >> that real, really, dares not
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speak its name. i did not know -- >> so let's -- >> i would never call you -- >> let's call out names. pete green, that's breen is the producer that didn't inform you. you're absolutely right. pete's fault completely. you're a professional. you never would have done it otherwise. pete breen again is the name. >> pete breen, ladies and gentlemen. throwing him under the bus. >> why not? al, how's it looking down there? >> we are starting to see clouds moving in. and the surf is a lot stronger than it was yesterday. so that means, of course, we gotten reports that there's -- the first rain bands are only about 75 miles away from cape hatteras. we are here in kill devil hills and expect to see more vauxs. mandatory evacuation for hatteras island, cape hatteras and also for some beaches in the county so schools are closed
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today through friday. they're reopening some schools as evacuation centers. we expect to see the full brunt of this system sometime around 2:00 to 3:00 this morning. offshore of the outer banks. however, when you consider the hurricane force winds extend out 90 miles from the center of the storm, tropical force winds out 200 miles, it doesn't have to make a direct hit to cause problems. and again, we have to worry about storm surge. this thing is moving very fast at 18 miles per hour. and when you put your hand in the water of a pool and push it really fast, you get that big wave, this's like the storm surge coming on shore. this storm not only the winds, the heavy rains. six to eight inches of rain and storm surge of three to five feet is not out of the question either, guys. >> al, from what you have seen down there, are people taking the storm seriously? getting out of town the way you and others have advised them to? >> yeah.
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they are. i mean, we are seeing -- in fact, hotel we are staying at people have been moved into that because they were staying at hatteras, cape hatteras, different beaches. they have moved here. now, again, we haven't had any mandatory evacuations here. but they're having a meeting right now. the county officials. we'll find out in the next hour or so whether the evacuations will be expanded. that said, people are saying, you know what? why tempt fate? let's just leave. >> so al, clearly, you know, you haven't heard or listened to the message about getting out of town because you are still there dealing with the danger. my question is, has jim bell committed you to lashing yourself to a pole tomorrow morning to report on the height of the storm? >> mike barnicle, i have better than that, my producer the big
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man. >> all right! >> to this guy and trust me. i'm going to -- i'm going to drop him about three feet into the sand and hold on for dear life. big shawn reece, ladies and gentlemen. >> shawn reece. the big guy. >> what you do -- al, it's janesing. you have to hold up the wind gauge because that's part of the -- >> just strapping that to my hat. >> this is it. >> i'm done. we're all ready. >> hold on to the hat, al. it is a dandy. again, that name nor your records -- >> thank you very much. >> pete breen. >> been calling this my jed clampet hat. >> i think jed when i see him. al, thanks so much. we'll talk to you from kill devils hill, north carolina. next, senator evan bayh right here on the set with us. plus, california senator barbara boxer and the republican
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people are all now talking about barack obama. they're all up in his business about taking so many vacations. what do i care?
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doesn't bother me. then last night, i saw the oval office address. i thought, hmm, maybe there's something to this. watch. >> this is a cbs news special report. president obama's address to the nation. >> this nation has known hard times before. we'll surely know them again. what sees us through, what's always seen us through -- >> summer. dressing down. >> yeah. i understand. i understand. >> last week of summer. welcome back to "morning joe." joining us senator evan bayh. good to see you. >> good to see you. member of hoosier nation. >> ball state, that's right. david letterman. you were a wise man i think it's fair to say to step aside when you did given the climate, the environment this fall. would you like to be running for re-election right now? >> wise or lucky.
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it's tough for both sides. so particularly for democratic incumbents. people are just -- they're angry and worried but actually the worry gives us an opportunity. they're not going to go in and cast blind votes. if we can make a case we have answers to their problems we have a chance. >> can you put in perspective for people how tough this environment is? we have heard it's as tough as it's been. like '84, '80. how do you see it? >> i lived through both '80 and '94. my father was in the senate. one of nine or ten democrats that lost that year. i experienced firsthand what that was like. '94 i was governor. we lost the legislature and congressmen. >> a wave election as they call it. >> a large wave, mort, a large wave. >> mostly about the economy. what is it about the democratic program that just failed to catch on? i mean, in fact, worse than
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that. it's considered to be a failure. >> well, some of this was predictable. there's almost always a lag of enthusiasm for the party of the presidency and the midterm elections because your own supporters expect you to solve everything and that is not quite that easy. the other side is enraged because they don't like what you are doing and then an enthusiasm gap. our people are let down which i think is unreasonable but it's there. and then the economy as you pointed out. part of that is a result of the innate skepticism of government spending. people think they can use the money better themselves than the government. if you build infrastructure projects, may be very worthwhile, doesn't individually touch that many specific voters unless you're in the construction trades. people tend to not see it. the independents if you looked at virginia, massachusetts, and new jersey, we're very concerned about the deficit. and so, its come by naegs of those things. natural letdown in the midterm
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cycle, skepticism of government spending and turns out the independents and we have a very challenging environment. >> the new economic package that the obama administration considers includes more money for infrastructure and also tax cuts. is there anything that the democrats can do that the white house can do between now and november to help sort of stem the tide of the losses? >> between now and november, chris? that's pretty tough. changing reality. i think voters are just skeptical. they want results and getting results in eight or nine weeks, that's asking the impossible, really. at least changing the psychology some and maybe at the margins affecting our losses, eliminating the losses. maybe that's possible. i think you said it exactly. something dealing with incenting businesses to hire people, through payroll tax reductions temporarily, that gets into the voters' sweet spot and see that, yes, maybe this gets us through in a way that large government spending initiatives might not.
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>> you mentioned voter anger and voter fear. fear of the future and kids won't do as well in this country as they have done. as you travel your state from gary, indiana, down south through the kentucky border, do you think people in your state get barack obama? do you think they get the fact that what he says he wants to help them? do they understand that? indiana's a pretty good -- >> it's a good reflection of the country and we are classic middle america and reflects what the national polls show to a certain extent. they like the president personally. they think he's smart. i think they think he cares about them and wonder about the results and whether the democrats got caught up in somishes that mattered more to elites than men and women like them. >> i guess the question is, do you think your people think that he understands their lives? >> as a person? yes. i don't think they turn on the
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president personally but with the disconnect of washington, people like me and whatever they're doing out there and relates to people than more like me, because they haven't seen the results, yeah. the president's numbers down substantially in indiana and because of the deficit. our state is very conservative fiscally. i don't think they've turned on him that way. >> the president spent a huge amount of time on a health care program and the way it was passed was very upsetting to people, looked as if there was a lot of political corruption and the support for it according to the national polls fallen off the edge of the table and that was the principle issue for so long. was that a political mistake in your judgment? >> politically, perhaps, mort. look. the national democrats concluded this is something we have been trying to do for 60 years. now let's do it. we paid a huge political price. we basically sacrificed almost everything else on the democratic agenda for that. and the political disconnect
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there was that as you know in a very good way extends health care to 30 million to 35 million of americans. what about me? what about -- i want the cost of my health care to go down and does almost nothing for cost containment for ten years ian another example of the disconnect. at a time when people are concerned about deficits, passing an entitlement, maybe that's politically more astute when the economy growing and the deficit coming down. >> even for the people that need it, many of the provisions haven't kicked in yet. >> a good, compassionate thing to do but very difficult politically. >> want to check in with andy barr for a look at the politico playbook. car carly fiorina and barbara boxer facing off last night. how did they get started? >> well, that anti-incumbent sentiment is something that
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fiorina is focusing on and hit barbara boxer for being in the senate for a long time. boxer, in turn, was going after fiorina going after fiorina's narrative of being a business leader, ceo of hp. fiorina likes to say she created jobs but boxer saying hp lost a lot of jobs and sent them overseas. this is nasty if you remember fiorina with a comment about boxer's hair and last night very fiery. no sign that tensions are going to, you know, not escalate for the time that they're going. >> what do the polls look like in that race heading into the labor day weekend? vi clor es. both that and the governor's race very close and thing in california where people believe that fiorina's fate tied to that of meg whitman and go up and down as this race goes on.
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you know, both trying to fight that. the narrative of two former silicon valley ceos against long-time democratic incumbents. jerry brown and now attorney general of california, so that's going to be an interesting kind of dynamic to watch there. >> andy barr, thanks so much. >> thanks. >> senator, your colleague barbara boxer's got a fight on her hands in california. >> she does but she is a fighter. california is more progressive than the rest of the country and for those out there, we have a number in play. i think barbara will be okay at the end of the day. >> she holds on. stay with us, senator. we have new jobless numbers due out in a minute. business before the bell we rin burnett next. can i have some ice cream please ?
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all right. time for a check on business before the bell with cnbc's erin burnett live at the new york stock exchange. good morning, erin. >> good morning. all right. so we have the jobless claims numbers. really important this week because we are going to get the august jobs numbers. we saw a drop of 6,000 so i guess you could say a drop is good but we're way above any level to show level of improvement in the labor market so we were talking about this. you look at this number of 400,000 f. you're below that, that would indicate improvement. above that, it wouldn't. some people -- mark and imp talking about cheating it up. it is about 400. 472 by any measure is pretty
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weak. so that's the lead-in this to tomorrow's jobs number. one lead eindicator of monste, hiring on that site indicated up 12% from a year ago and flat down, only just slightly from the month of july. seven months of improvement there and that's something that shows, you know, there are spots of improvement in the labor market. labor's one thing and then the other thing is retail sales. individual retailers tell us whether consumers are spending or not. looking at most of them doing better than anticipated. best ones are wet seal and costco. worst ones is aeropostale and ben bernanke today talking in about 28 minutes where they were testifying and he will be talking about the financial crisis. so there you have got it.
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those are the headlines. >> all right. erin, thanks so much. senator, in your state, people just want the know about jobs. >> willie, it all comes back to jobs. consumers aren't spending largely concerned about their own economic standing and, you know, it could be a repetition of what was it? 1992 where, in fact, the economy bottomed and coming back up and the psychology didn't change and wasn't enough to change the first president bush and hopefully straws in the wind that things are getting better. not likely to make a difference at the polls. >> what is the unemployment rate in gary, indiana? >> gary? north of 10% for sure there. >> yeah. the unemployment numbers, headline unemployment numbers don't indicate the real concern. >> discouraged voter. >> and the people working part time. talking about somewhere of 16.5%, 17%. household unemployment number and then 6 million who have left
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the labor force. it's a devastating economic time. and i just don't see how the democrats are going to survive that in this coming congressional election. >> we have to limit the losses. >> might be. >> point out the fact we have a yaend to resonate with people if given more time here and the alternative not be any better. >> as erin said, we'll get the big jobs number about 8:30 this time tomorrow morning. thanks for having here. >> real pleasure. thank you. coming up next, a tough, new "vanity fair" profile paints an ugly picture of sarah palin. we'll sit down with the article's author and then looking at how president obama can give democrats an edge heading into november.
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time now for the midterm exam, the ongoing discussion on the key issues that will shape the november elections. joe, my can ka and i sat down
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with john heilemann, harold ford jr. author of "more davids than goliaths" and former governor of vermont and dnc chair howard dean. >> howard, you and harold and i have all campaigned. and i suspect that in our own ways in our own different parts of the country we campaigned the same way. we got out there. we got in people's faces. we listened to them. we talked. we figured out quickly what mattered to them and then we focused on how we could help them achieve -- how we could get washington to help them. barack obama just seems so detached and this is democrats. you hear democrats talking about this, not just republicans. he seems so detached from where middle america is right now. what does the president do in
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the coming weeks or months to reconnect with people the way he was connected in 2008? >> see, i don't think he personally is detached. he has a stafful of insiders from inside the beltway that don't really get what's happening in terms of people's lives. they also are -- i think the president is very much in gear. i think he is terrific. >> wait, wait, wait. hold on, howard. man -- >> i absolutely believe that. >> the president may fret personally and may care personally but is that message getting out of the white house? >> i think it does when he is out there. he before he went to i think a well-deserved vacation, he was in all these different places. he was in ohio. he was in michigan. he was in -- on the west coast. he goes to all the places where people, nevada's another one and he lays it out there. he is fighting. he's standing up for something. that's what people watch. not so much the facts and figures but are you willing to fight for me? that's why the tea party people
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are winning the republican primaries. are you willing to fight for me? barack obama is willing to do that. he's got to be out there every single day, not in washington. do not stay in washington. >> yeah. john heilemann, this is truly a sad moment. "morning joe," been on since 1987 -- right? we have never given a gold medal away to anybody and then had to take it back. >> oh. >> we are going to have to take -- i gave it to him last week. we have to take it back. >> that's not nice. >> come on. this guy -- howard dean is a straight shooter and, yet, saying barack obama is doing everything right. >> the last few weeks -- >> those gold medals are hash brownies and pretty clear that the governor has had -- >> they're -- >> he's a doctor. >> it's medical. >> the president and the white house have had some extraordinary legislative
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achievements. what they have not done is done a compelling, coherent job of selling those to the country an it's been the most striking thing. a president who had played the outside game out in the country so incredibly effectively in 2008 have failed to sell the health care bill, failed to explain it after its passage, failed to sell the stimulus. failed to convince the country that the stimulus was necessary and has been effective. i agree with governor dean to pick up the game because what they have signally failed at is being out in the country, outside washington convincing people they're doing the right thing. that's the biggest and most mysterious failure of this administration, i think. >> this doom and gloom. wringing our hands. obama is in deep trouble. blah blah blah. the fact is look at the numbers right now. people don't approve of his performance on the economy and health care. they still like him. and his numbers -- >> true. >> -- whether they like him or
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not are still in the 50% range. that's not great but better than reagan's were in 1982. i think if you had to make a bet right this second, i would bet that barack obama won a second term. we have a long way to go. we have to get through the midterms and i have to prove i was right. >> john heilemann, harold ford jr., howard dean, thank you very much. we'll be right back. ♪
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may this day be the change point. look around you. you're not alone. you are americans! let's stand together. let's stand with honor and let's restore america. >> will she or won't she? the guessing game over sarah palin's potential run for the presidency rages on. here with us now from "new york" magazine gabrielle sheridan and michael gross. gabe real reports on why adviser thinks palin will not run in 2012. here's part of what he writes. my reasoning is as follows. she hated what was happening in public office.
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she hated her life. she hated it. now she has the world by the tail. she's speaking to adoring crowds. maybe only 20% of the people like her but they adore her. now she has the money she needs. she has the best of both worlds. but palin decides to take the plunge into the next presidential election facing questions of the image promoted in the campaign. here's what michael writes in part. this whole hunter thing for sar sarah. that is the biggest fallacy says one long-time friend of the family. that woman has never hunted. she got the picture out of the rv to posed for a picture. it is a joke. when greta came to the house to interview palin, quote, is a va cooked moose chili and whatnot. todd was calling everyone he knew the day before, do you got any moose? desperate. welcome to you both. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> let's start with you, gabe.
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conventional wisdom at least for people that come on this set is -- >> sure. >> -- she is going to run. you say otherwise? >> i agree. what i tried to do is there's talk over the last few days of the upcoming iowa trip she has, a first concrete evidence she is stepping into the 2012 race and what i did is i talked to people around here saying there's no ramping up. there's no infrastructure being built. she is not taking any steps to build a viable political operation and the iowa trip, only thing we nor for certain is gets people like us to talk about her. that's the important point. she is savvy stepping into the limelight and getting media to about her and the only thing she seems to be doing right now. >> michael, you address this fascination everyone has with her whether you like her or hate her. there's tough stuff in the article. there's fear of a man to speak on the record about sarah palin.
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seems like you found that from everyone you talked to only speaking to you anonymously. >> almost everyone, that's right. there's a string of people going all the way back in her life, all the way in here career so abused, so horrifically by her and just terrified of retribution. they have seen her take revenge on people before and they're so broken, they're so stepped on, so beaten down that they don't want to take the risk of speaking out. >> like how? how would they be broken? what kind of retribution? >> there's one employee that worked for her as mayor who she continually tortured and taunted until the woman quit her job, sought counseling and left the state to escape palin's influence. of course, the story of the trooper which led to trooper-gate. that's the first thing that everybody mentions when i ask if she had people fired from the jobs and smaller stories about circulating rumors about ruining
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people. that's a favorite phrase of hers. she told one aide after the campaign ended, i have the power to ruin you. >> the portrait, though, that you paint is almost so extreme. it is like a dr. jekyll and mr. hyde kind of stuff. >> i couldn't believe the stories when i first heard them and i started the story with the prejudice in her favor. i have a lot in common with this woman. i'm a small town person, a christian. i think that the criticisms of the media have something to them and figured she'd gotten a bum ride but everyone tells the same story. >> gabe, how important is it in terms of sarah palin today, the fact she is making a lot of money? for the first time in her life, she is financially set for perhaps the rest of her life? >> extremely important and what feeds into that, she needs to be seen as a viable presidential candidate. every comment she makes on twitter and facebook is infused
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with this guessing game. well, what does this mean for the election? is she going to run? is she not going to run? so the business models depends on people like us thinking she will run for president. >> what's fueled this fascination for two years? two solid years. and you can say she's very savvy. i think it borders on genius to get herself in the news every single day almost. >> i mean, i think this fascination is she doesn't play by any of the prescribed rules of traditional politics. michael documents it very well in his piece. she is a north star. she beats to her own drum. there is nothing about her for us to wrap our heads around. what is she? is she a media person? is she a politician? is she both? is she, you know, the second coming of richard nixon? we don't know. >> what do you think the odds are, michael, in three years from now we'll be saying
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whatever happened to sarah palin? >> i think it depends on what we do. if we treat her like a celebrity and a pop star instead of a politician, she's probably going to still be an around. if we decide to let her keep lying and getting away with it, she will be around but if we start returning to the standard of a politician to talk to people, with people, not just to people, and a politician to tell the truth, then she is out of here because she can't stand up to that. >> which lies are you talking about? which troubled you most covering her? >> there is a person for whom there is a topic no small to lie about. in wichita, she claimed when she found out she was pregnant with trigg she was scared never been around a special needs child and she said that the first thought was of her own nephew who's a
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special needs child who's autistic. she lies about everything. she lies about her personal life. she lies about -- she lies about -- >> even if you take that as a given, and she's an easy target. and she's been made a target by a lot of people. would we be wrong to dismiss these adoring crowds? these are people, you may say they don't get it. they don't understand that she is lying and she didn't know who margaret thatcher was. you may think all those things but those are people who feel in the standard political spectrum they have not found anyone they can relate to and they relate to her. and would we be foolish? would the political parties be foolish to be demissive of that? there's candidated gone by the wayside who maybe were dismissive of her and in the past election cycle, she supported her and they've won the nomination. >> ultimately the role for the next presidential election will
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be as a king maker role in the republican primary with the support, the 2 million followers that when she says move, they move. and any candidate who's running needs her. i mean, her endorsement and the republican primary could be gold and if she hangs out there and doesn't run but plays that king maker role, that's where she preserves the utmost power without being taken down by the proce process. >> michael, some people are calling her your article a hit piece. a hatchet job. media out again to get sarah palin. how do you respond to that criticism? >> it is the opposite. i started this with every good intention toward her. i was just shocked and appalled at every step what i found and i wrote this story, you know, sort of against my will. it wasn't what i wanted to write and find. it was what was forced on me by the facts. >> were you rebuffed or refused the opportunity to speak with her directly?
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>> yes, many times. i tried through all sorts of avenues. i went to her beauty shop one day when she was there and left a note with the hairdresser. i left a note with her dad. i, you know, got in touch with sarah pac and all i would get is e-mails saying that the request is under consideration. they asked for questions. i sent them questions. again, no answers. >> she is a person with this terribly volatile temper and so mean to people, why do you think that so many people around her stick with her and the loyalty's incredible. they won't speak to the outside. >> no but, in fact, most people around her have not stuck with her. what's most fascinating to me is that exactly the same time that her influence is expanding exponentially, the world is shrinking almost to a point. she's kicked almost everyone out of the inner circle. the remaining group is so small and almost all of them are people that she's just gotten to know in the last year or two.
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